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joining me is former defense secretary william cohen, thanks so much for joining us. >> good to be this you. >> russia sounded a few different signals this week. putin in turkey, making some suggestions perhaps they would not be sticking with assad as strongly as they have been in the past. then this is the first time that foreign minister met with hillary clinton on assad, met with the u.n. mediator and we're being cautioned this is no break through but there will be follow-up meeting. seems some u.s. officials russia is hedging its bets or beginning to see a future without assad. >> i think that's the case. we've talked about this before, but there is a russian card to be played, to be played by russia itself. they have influence with president assad, they have interests in syria, and i think that they can see the handwriting on the wall that assad is eventually going to go, whether it's in the near term, long term, eventually he's going. you can see the shift in momentum as far as the rebels now starting to gain much greater military success than they have in the past. they've been w
joining me is former defense secretary william cohen, thanks so much for joining us. >> good to be this you. >> russia sounded a few different signals this week. putin in turkey, making some suggestions perhaps they would not be sticking with assad as strongly as they have been in the past. then this is the first time that foreign minister met with hillary clinton on assad, met with the u.n. mediator and we're being cautioned this is no break through but there will be follow-up...
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nice through the defense. he always makes the underhand lay-up shots. the celtics up three. this time, no come back from the mavs. boston goes on to win 117-115. celtics improve to 12-9 on the season. this one is good. the jazz at home facing the spurs. clock running down. mo williams. he throws it up. deep. good. the jazz pull off the upset. last second three pointer and win 99-96. williams had missed all three of his prior threes in the game. but he comes through with a game winn winner. coming up, a tense phone call between the president and speaker boehner has washington insiders doubting an end to the fiduciary fiasco. when we come back here, we'll huddle around the water cooler. music industry's biggest stars come together for a hurricane sandy benefit concert including a special tribute by a can't miss classic adam sandler. all of the night's best moments straight ahead. if you think running a restaurant is hard, try running four. fortunately we've got ink. it gives us 5x the rewards on our internet, phone charges and cable, plus at office supply stores. rewards we pu
nice through the defense. he always makes the underhand lay-up shots. the celtics up three. this time, no come back from the mavs. boston goes on to win 117-115. celtics improve to 12-9 on the season. this one is good. the jazz at home facing the spurs. clock running down. mo williams. he throws it up. deep. good. the jazz pull off the upset. last second three pointer and win 99-96. williams had missed all three of his prior threes in the game. but he comes through with a game winn winner....
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one is doma, defense of marriage act. this administration won't defend it in the courts. if that gets struck down, what does that say to cases where people have been allowed to marry in the same gender. what happens if doma gets struck down by the court, 5-4, whatever. >> the ridiculously named defense of marriage act would be gone. >> what would it mean to a person married? >> that would bemean couples married in those states would be recognized by the federal government. would mean we still have a lot of work to do and depending how they rule in the prop 8 case we still need other states to move forward with the right to marry. >> an honor to have you on and elizabeth, glad to have you back in a much bigger studio now. the republican establishment at war with his crazy wing, said they lost election because i ideologues pulled mitt romney too far to the right. wrong says the right ring, we lost because mitt romney wasn't right wing enough. the winner will determine whether the gop returns to the center or becomes a more fringy party. >>> two people get in the room. the p
one is doma, defense of marriage act. this administration won't defend it in the courts. if that gets struck down, what does that say to cases where people have been allowed to marry in the same gender. what happens if doma gets struck down by the court, 5-4, whatever. >> the ridiculously named defense of marriage act would be gone. >> what would it mean to a person married? >> that would bemean couples married in those states would be recognized by the federal government....
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neither proposal specifically includes defense cuts. in fact, both sides have gone out of their way to say they shouldn't happen. but if there's no deal, they may happen anyway. in today's "deep dive" how the sequester could impact our military, our economy, and our safety. the budget control act calls for about a trillion dollars in automatic cuts to begin in january if laes no deal. half would come from domestic spending. we'll dig deeper into that. today spes cifically about the half that comes from security and defense. the cuts on that side amount to $492 billion over the next ten years but they aren't across the board. the president has promised to exempt military personnel and veterans affairs. let me start this here. here is the $492. that, by the way, this $492 billion is on top of another $450 billion cuts the d.o.d. was planning to make to cut waste and trim unnecessary programs. it's prompted mrenting of hand wringing on both sides. >> we can't afford another $500 billion in cuts in our defense budget on top of the $500 bill
neither proposal specifically includes defense cuts. in fact, both sides have gone out of their way to say they shouldn't happen. but if there's no deal, they may happen anyway. in today's "deep dive" how the sequester could impact our military, our economy, and our safety. the budget control act calls for about a trillion dollars in automatic cuts to begin in january if laes no deal. half would come from domestic spending. we'll dig deeper into that. today spes cifically about the...
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. >> we are in the defensive position. we will never make a first stride. consequently we have to have more if we are going keep the peace. >> russia has to implement the force. this is the most important thing for democratic change. >> so david, there is all this history. one of the things that makes me depressed on shows, it seems as if politics seem like it's politics, but it's not. with world evens and also culture. that's what i found fascinating. how much "meet the press" has been there on the culture front. >> i think one of the advantages of being a washington-based program that covers politics, but also covers what all the tentacles that washington has. you can get into foreign affairs and shifts in the country. i think that all of that is reflected in the ebook. the other thing when senator kennedy passed away and we did a tribute show early on my n my tenure to understand how important the program has been to the news makers themselves. >> they identify themselves about the program. >> it was a big deal and his mother for all of the kennedy boys
. >> we are in the defensive position. we will never make a first stride. consequently we have to have more if we are going keep the peace. >> russia has to implement the force. this is the most important thing for democratic change. >> so david, there is all this history. one of the things that makes me depressed on shows, it seems as if politics seem like it's politics, but it's not. with world evens and also culture. that's what i found fascinating. how much "meet the...
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was evidence that the syrian government was preparing for potential chemical weapons, but yesterday, defense secretary leon panetta said new intelligence shows they may be backing off. >>> well, now to west virginia. did you see this? a national gas line exploded in a town just ten miles north of charleston. at first, witnesses thought a plane had crash, as the flames shot up over 75 feet in the air before it was put out. at least five homes up in flames, destroyed, and a portion of the nearby freeway was damaged. officials say the area within 1,000 feet of the explosion site was evacuated. many of the surrounding area still without power. people were treated for smoke inhalation. no major injuries, amazingly, where reported in that natural gas line blaze. >>> the national transportation safety board, of course, will launch an investigation. >>> and finally, grammar winner and virtuoso star ravi shankar has died. you've probably heard his influence in the most famous music. he became friends with the beatle and a longtime collaborator with george harrison. he burst on to the western music sc
was evidence that the syrian government was preparing for potential chemical weapons, but yesterday, defense secretary leon panetta said new intelligence shows they may be backing off. >>> well, now to west virginia. did you see this? a national gas line exploded in a town just ten miles north of charleston. at first, witnesses thought a plane had crash, as the flames shot up over 75 feet in the air before it was put out. at least five homes up in flames, destroyed, and a portion of...
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cuts, the sequester is very much top of mind to the defense secretary leon panetta traveling, he was in kuwait before going on to kabul, this is what he had to say about the sequester. >> in that mindless approach called sequester, the defense department, on top of $500 billion in cuts that we've already put in place for the future, would add another $500 billion on top of that. and that would do significant harm to our ability to provide a strong defense for the country. >> he called it reckless. any budget of the size of the pentagon's budget has some fat in it, and there's pork larded in various states and different constituencies. do you think that the defense, the security of our country, is really at risk if the sequester goes into effect? >> i do. i think it's so mindless and automatic in the way the cuts are taken that it would necessarily require cuts that would really hurt readiness, modernization, it would hurt capability. and my worry is it would send a very negative signal in terms of allies and friends abroad. i just came back from two weeks in asia, people are question
cuts, the sequester is very much top of mind to the defense secretary leon panetta traveling, he was in kuwait before going on to kabul, this is what he had to say about the sequester. >> in that mindless approach called sequester, the defense department, on top of $500 billion in cuts that we've already put in place for the future, would add another $500 billion on top of that. and that would do significant harm to our ability to provide a strong defense for the country. >> he...
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george takei was on the show last night, and he was offering his defense of marriage equality. let's take a listen to that. >> the core value of marriage is two people who love each other and who are committed to each other. you want security for your spouse, whatever may happen. and our laws do not provide that. in the case of homophobia, we are literally members of the family. we are sons and daughters of heterosexual parents. we are brothers and sisters. we are literally kin, blood kin. and yet we deny the lgbt member of the family the same legal protections and rights that they enjoy. it's irrational. >> steve, we -- you know, this has been called a guy rights issue, but really, it is a civil rights issue. and when you hear an argument, an eloquent argument like that from george takei, it underscores the fact that this is an irrational argument, and it's almost sort of an inevitable, it's the inevitable course for the united states. i wonder what you make of house republicans who have tried to stand in the way of marriage equality. do they have a platform to stand on if the
george takei was on the show last night, and he was offering his defense of marriage equality. let's take a listen to that. >> the core value of marriage is two people who love each other and who are committed to each other. you want security for your spouse, whatever may happen. and our laws do not provide that. in the case of homophobia, we are literally members of the family. we are sons and daughters of heterosexual parents. we are brothers and sisters. we are literally kin, blood...
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he has said that he supports the repeal of the defense of marriage act but he also thinks this is a matter better left to the states, and in an op-ed in the "washington post" recently, greg sargent argued this. because it would help influence the supreme court to reach a broad conclusion on the constitutionality of gay marriage. second, weighing in could help prepare public opinion to accept this right, too. jamal, does the president need to go further? >> public opinion is doing its thing without the president being involved. you just showed numbers that show what's happening. certainly demographically by age. so the president has to make a decision about what he wants to do politically but i think we're already seeing in states, now we've got the first state referendums that have passed, we are starting to see this in judicial cases that it's passing or living through judicial fights. i think this is a train that's already moving. the federal government and national politicians are trying to catch up to it. >> you don't think the president went a step further, that it could provide the k
he has said that he supports the repeal of the defense of marriage act but he also thinks this is a matter better left to the states, and in an op-ed in the "washington post" recently, greg sargent argued this. because it would help influence the supreme court to reach a broad conclusion on the constitutionality of gay marriage. second, weighing in could help prepare public opinion to accept this right, too. jamal, does the president need to go further? >> public opinion is...
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. >> as long as you're reacting, you're playing defensive ball, you're going to lose the game here. the reality is that it will save us a lot of money if we get universal health care. in fact, if we got universal health care with no out-of-pocket expenses and ran it the way the french do, it's the functional equivalent of almost eliminating the income tax. people don't realize, that's one of the two big things ruining our economy. and why is health care an entitlement that is bankrupting the country? why isn't a national security apparatus that costs more money than all the income taxes we pay for all of the things that it does to fight a war we're not going to face, why isn't that an entitlement issue we should be raising? >> you know, i think about the american worker. yes longer.one work a couple of this in a way, as you've said, it's a death sentence fome what do you think? >> this is cruel. it contradicts the religious teachings that so many republicans are constantly throwing at us. they should go back and consult the old testament about this, which has a very simple word to d
. >> as long as you're reacting, you're playing defensive ball, you're going to lose the game here. the reality is that it will save us a lot of money if we get universal health care. in fact, if we got universal health care with no out-of-pocket expenses and ran it the way the french do, it's the functional equivalent of almost eliminating the income tax. people don't realize, that's one of the two big things ruining our economy. and why is health care an entitlement that is bankrupting...
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the court also agreed to hear a challenge to the federal defense of marriage absent. it defines marriage as, quote, only a legal union between one man and one woman. the law had a big effect on eddie windsor of new york who married thea spire. when she died leaving her the state, the irs sent a tax bill for $363,000 because they did not consider them to be married. >> i think ultimately just couldn't believe it. i couldn't believe they were making a stranger of this person i lived with and loved for 43 something years. >> under that law, same-sex couples who are legally married are denied about 1,000 federal benefits that other married couples get. after supporting defense of marriage act the obama administration concluded last year it violates the constitution. >> we cannot defend the federal government poking its nose into what states are doing and putting a thumb on the scale against same-sex couples. >> house republicans are now taking up the law's legal defense. supporters say it helps preserve traditional marriage. >> unions of two men or two men are not the sam
the court also agreed to hear a challenge to the federal defense of marriage absent. it defines marriage as, quote, only a legal union between one man and one woman. the law had a big effect on eddie windsor of new york who married thea spire. when she died leaving her the state, the irs sent a tax bill for $363,000 because they did not consider them to be married. >> i think ultimately just couldn't believe it. i couldn't believe they were making a stranger of this person i lived with...
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he's also done something very smart, which is put the republican tons defensive, unlike the beginning in the first term with the health care bill where he did not go around the country continuing to sell the idea as negotiations were going on. this time he has been doing that and he has put the republicans in a terrible spot. she's basically said, look, here are my revenue proposals. that's what i was all about. you guys were all about spending. tell me what you want to cut. go ahead. and they've, of course, had a little trouble with that. >> right. go ahead, make my day. john, "the washington post" today is reporting that investors are preparing to go off the cliff, shifting around assets. wealthy survival skills 101, so to speak. ceo says there must be a deal now. are republicans feeling this pressure from the super rich in the country? >> there's a real problem in that there's a real fear that what the republicans are going to do is look at the election results and basically roll over. if that happens you're going to use this outcry and plus you have an awful lot of wealthy small b
he's also done something very smart, which is put the republican tons defensive, unlike the beginning in the first term with the health care bill where he did not go around the country continuing to sell the idea as negotiations were going on. this time he has been doing that and he has put the republicans in a terrible spot. she's basically said, look, here are my revenue proposals. that's what i was all about. you guys were all about spending. tell me what you want to cut. go ahead. and...
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does he really want to take all those cuts in domestic and defense spending? aren't there some things he really thinks will hurt the economy over which he's the steward right now does he want a second depression? no. a second recession. >> it will hurt the economy. i think agree entirely. i think the short-term pressure is much more on john boehner, that he has -- if we go to the first of the year and taxes have gone up on everybody, i think that people will largely blame the republicans for that, as think should. having said that though, the longer this goes on, the more likely it is that it puts the economy in a second recession, and heaven knows that's the last thing that obama wants. so the pressure on obama may not be immediate, but it is there. let's remember, by the way, chris, i think it's always important to remind people, your viewers, what we're talking about here. if we all end up diving off this fiscal cliff, it doesn't make the deficit worse. it makes the deficit better. it would go a long way toward curing the deficit, but the deficit isn't the
does he really want to take all those cuts in domestic and defense spending? aren't there some things he really thinks will hurt the economy over which he's the steward right now does he want a second depression? no. a second recession. >> it will hurt the economy. i think agree entirely. i think the short-term pressure is much more on john boehner, that he has -- if we go to the first of the year and taxes have gone up on everybody, i think that people will largely blame the republicans...
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, already even though it has been less than a month since the election, crossroads is coming to the defense of shelley moore capito, thinking of challenging rockefeller in 2014. some have been attacking her as not conservative enough for the seat. crossroads president steven law told politico, quote, it is distasteful to see washington politicos clubbing republican candidates right out of the gate, especially ones with the guts to challenge an entrenched incumbent and who enjoy the broad base of support that shelley moore capito seems to have. or jim demint said he'd rather have 30 conservative republicans in the senate than 60 who don't believe in anything. karl rove would probably rather have 60 republicans in the senate no matter what they believe. that is going to be the fight. that is the battle line in the republican party right now. the guys who want purity, more tea party, versus the guys who want a supermajority. no more obama cares. heritage versus crossroads. karl rove versus jim demint. pass me the popcorn. joining me, dave weigel of "slate" and msnbc contributor. dave, it is go
, already even though it has been less than a month since the election, crossroads is coming to the defense of shelley moore capito, thinking of challenging rockefeller in 2014. some have been attacking her as not conservative enough for the seat. crossroads president steven law told politico, quote, it is distasteful to see washington politicos clubbing republican candidates right out of the gate, especially ones with the guts to challenge an entrenched incumbent and who enjoy the broad base...
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the first issue is this question of the defense of marriage act. it was passed really in the middle of the night in 1996 and signed very reluctant lie by president clinton and e sin essentially says one state does not have to recognize the marriage equality rights another state may give. if you are married legally in the state of massachusetts and you happen to reside -- this is as a gay couple -- and you happen to reside in the state of california, the state of california does not need to recognize your massachusetts marriage, and as a result there are over 1,000 benefits that can be denied to a legally married gay couple if they happen to be living in a state that doesn't recognize gay marriage. my guess is the supreme court will declare that unconstitutional because there is a long tradition under the privileges and immunities clause of the constitution that says one state recognizes the contract rights that are given in another state. so i think that doma law goes by the wayside. the second question is an equal protection question and goes spec
the first issue is this question of the defense of marriage act. it was passed really in the middle of the night in 1996 and signed very reluctant lie by president clinton and e sin essentially says one state does not have to recognize the marriage equality rights another state may give. if you are married legally in the state of massachusetts and you happen to reside -- this is as a gay couple -- and you happen to reside in the state of california, the state of california does not need to...
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other than "the new york times's" maureen dowd, secretary of state hillary clinton is coming to the defense of u.n. ambassador susan rice, calling her a stalwart colleague. rice is seen as a top pick to succeed clinton in the state department, but is under attack by republicans who accuse her of misleading the public in the aftermath of the september 11th attacks at the u.s. consulate in benghazi. >> and it's important to remember what susan said was based on the information that had been given to every senior official in our administration, and she made very clear in her appearances that the information was subject to change as more facts were gathered and analyzed by the intelligence community. and look, as is often the case, our understanding evolved over time. and we've done our best to keep the american people and the congress informed. that was her goal, that was her mission and she should not be criticized for doing exactly that. >> that, of course, comes in direct conflict with what general david petraeus, the director of the cia, told the committee in the senate where he said they
other than "the new york times's" maureen dowd, secretary of state hillary clinton is coming to the defense of u.n. ambassador susan rice, calling her a stalwart colleague. rice is seen as a top pick to succeed clinton in the state department, but is under attack by republicans who accuse her of misleading the public in the aftermath of the september 11th attacks at the u.s. consulate in benghazi. >> and it's important to remember what susan said was based on the information...
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you've seen a vigorous defense of her by the president and second clinton. i think they're right to do that. >> ambassador nicholas burns, thank you. >>> deal or no deal? two veterans of congress take us behind the scenes of the budget negotiations next on "andrea mitchell reports." ♪ i'd like to thank eating right, whole grain, multigrain cheerios! mom, are those my jeans? [ female announcer ] people who choose more whole grain tend to weigh less than those who don't. multigrain cheerios tend to weigh less than those who don't. sfx- "sounds of african drum and flute" look who's back. again? it's embarrassing it's embarrassing! we can see you carl. we can totally see you. come on you're better than this...all that prowling around. yeah, you're the king of the jungle. have you thought about going vegan carl? hahaha!! you know folks who save hundreds of dollars by switching to geico sure are happy. how happy are they jimmy? happier than antelope with night-vision goggles. nice! get happy. get geico. fifteen minutes could save you fifteen percent or more. go
you've seen a vigorous defense of her by the president and second clinton. i think they're right to do that. >> ambassador nicholas burns, thank you. >>> deal or no deal? two veterans of congress take us behind the scenes of the budget negotiations next on "andrea mitchell reports." ♪ i'd like to thank eating right, whole grain, multigrain cheerios! mom, are those my jeans? [ female announcer ] people who choose more whole grain tend to weigh less than those who...
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in its defense, torture only occupies about the first 30 minutes. i know for many people that's quite enough, and there is an enormous amount of detective work involved in actually finding the location of the courier. the other thing is that the movie -- it kind of fudges. i have to say they kind of fudge the actual revelation. they torture the guy, it doesn't work, and then they trick him into saying that he said something that he didn't say, and then he spills everything in a very calm and casual way. so -- >> but, david, didn't you have the sense that was a product of him having been broken? >> absolutely. certainly. >> i always tell people, i have been watching movies for years with stars i don't like, and i like them in the movie. so i think it's one more thing we have to use our discernment when we watch. thank you very much, frank and david. >> thank you. >>> up next, supreme court justice antonin scalia's latest insult to gay americans. is this what the republican party needs right now? this is "hardball," the place for politics. [ woman ] r
in its defense, torture only occupies about the first 30 minutes. i know for many people that's quite enough, and there is an enormous amount of detective work involved in actually finding the location of the courier. the other thing is that the movie -- it kind of fudges. i have to say they kind of fudge the actual revelation. they torture the guy, it doesn't work, and then they trick him into saying that he said something that he didn't say, and then he spills everything in a very calm and...
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by the way, we haven't talked about the defense cuts that go into effect on january 1, which is truly massive. those have a negative effect on the sector exposed to it and jobs there. >> really quickly now. i love having you on because you have the ability to simplify fairly complex questions. i'm going to give you one here. republicans generalliy argue tht raising taxes will hurt the economy. is there any clear indication there will be job losses if tax rates go up 2, 3 percentage points. >> no matter how editorials you read arguing that case, there's no clear-cut evidence there's any clear-cut connection between marginally higher rates or lower growth over the past 50, 60 years. >> the correlation is not definitive? >> yes. >> zachary, thank you so mesh. blake, always a pleasure. lori, thanks to you in d.c. as well. >>> coming up a deadly development in london after the prank phone call to the hospital where the duchess of cambridge was treated. the nurse initially duped by the hoax is found dead. new reaction from the palace next. plus, a new report reveals how much money was spent
by the way, we haven't talked about the defense cuts that go into effect on january 1, which is truly massive. those have a negative effect on the sector exposed to it and jobs there. >> really quickly now. i love having you on because you have the ability to simplify fairly complex questions. i'm going to give you one here. republicans generalliy argue tht raising taxes will hurt the economy. is there any clear indication there will be job losses if tax rates go up 2, 3 percentage...
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then the so-called defensive marriage act that passed in 1996. when you cite those polls, what's so interesting to me is that this first burst on the national scene in 1996 popped up in conservative research when they were running out of issues and they suddenly went, my god, eureka. this gay marriage issue. this is an amazing weapon to use. the american public does not favor it and it can be used politically. karl rove called it the gift that keeps on giving. for many years, it did. one thing the conservatives did not count on are two things. one, most families have a gay son or daughter they love or a cousin or uncle they cherish. the other thing, thomas, is at the end of the day, they didn't anticipate that conservatives themselves would come to see this as a conservative issue. >> sure, it's a traditional value. >> absolutely. >> when you have vehicle dick cheney who has a daughter who wanted to get married and start a family. just not from individuals on the right. we have seen elizabeth now. we have nine states in washington d.c. area havin
then the so-called defensive marriage act that passed in 1996. when you cite those polls, what's so interesting to me is that this first burst on the national scene in 1996 popped up in conservative research when they were running out of issues and they suddenly went, my god, eureka. this gay marriage issue. this is an amazing weapon to use. the american public does not favor it and it can be used politically. karl rove called it the gift that keeps on giving. for many years, it did. one thing...
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his defense of her a couple weeks ago from the podium was really unique and frankly defensive. so if this is who he wants, he has every right to nominate her and the senate has every right to say no. >> david, before i let you guys get out of here, i had katon dawson on a few minutes ago. saturdays we like to engage in speculation a fair amount. he didn't say whether he would take a nod from governor hailey for that senate seat. if you were a betting man, who would you bet that the governor gives the nod to that jim demint senate seat? >> i'm also a south carolina native so i have a bit of a stake in this. >> i knew i liked you. >> i made some calls. my money i ges would be on tim scott if you made me bet on it. >> how about you, shira? >> yeah. tim scott as well i think is a smart move politically for nikki haley to appoint him to the senate. >> david jackson, "usa today" and a fellow south carolinian i just found out. >> gamecocks. >> shira, are you from south carolina as well? >> no. i'm from pittsburgh. >> that's close enough. >> great town. >> shira toeplitz from "roll cal
his defense of her a couple weeks ago from the podium was really unique and frankly defensive. so if this is who he wants, he has every right to nominate her and the senate has every right to say no. >> david, before i let you guys get out of here, i had katon dawson on a few minutes ago. saturdays we like to engage in speculation a fair amount. he didn't say whether he would take a nod from governor hailey for that senate seat. if you were a betting man, who would you bet that the...
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. >> defense. >> defense. all of these things. >> which accounts for about a trillion dollars of the budget every year. we've got less than that. >> of course, the long-term struggle is with entitlements. i think that's one of the greatest differences where we cut with republicans. i know we have to cut from entitlements because that's what bankrupts us. i know we have to cut from defense. but i'm concerned about r&d. i'm concerned about transportation. i'm concerned about education. i'm concerned about cutting in all of these areas that make china -- give china a bigger advantage as we move forward that give our global competitors a bigger advantage. that's what really concerns me. >> two quick observations. if you're in business and you're told we've got to make changes at our budget and you look at 6%, 15% of your budget, 9% of your budget, you've got to make cuts, you look at the 60% first and say where can we make manufacture she's cuts. talk about not endangering our ability to compete and win going forw
. >> defense. >> defense. all of these things. >> which accounts for about a trillion dollars of the budget every year. we've got less than that. >> of course, the long-term struggle is with entitlements. i think that's one of the greatest differences where we cut with republicans. i know we have to cut from entitlements because that's what bankrupts us. i know we have to cut from defense. but i'm concerned about r&d. i'm concerned about transportation. i'm concerned...
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now defense cuts. more and more republicans are saying that they're willing to talk about it. >> good. >> saying it junt cuts their credibility on other spending issues. >> good. >> it's the pentagon. >> there is so much waste in the pentagon. it's one of the few bureaucracies you can't audit. it is impossible. whether you're talking to peter peterson, dave walker, they tell you, you can't audit the pentagon. it is impossible. >> and yet there are some republicans you say who are willing to go out on a ledge and say it's time to look at this. and what are the costs of doing that politically? >> well, they are, and part of it is the changing times. it's not the cold war anymore. it's these younger members who are coming up. also to be consistent, you have members saying why are we opposing the sequester? why are we panicked that these spending cuts might take place? this is what we want. so that's another fight that's in the conference. are they going to be totally consistent on spending, or are they go
now defense cuts. more and more republicans are saying that they're willing to talk about it. >> good. >> saying it junt cuts their credibility on other spending issues. >> good. >> it's the pentagon. >> there is so much waste in the pentagon. it's one of the few bureaucracies you can't audit. it is impossible. whether you're talking to peter peterson, dave walker, they tell you, you can't audit the pentagon. it is impossible. >> and yet there are some...
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that means everything, outside of defense, outside of medicare, outside of medicaid, outside of social security. that's about 85% of the budget. >> and we just made some pretty deep cuts last summer. >> right. so when you have a party saying we're going to balance the budget by going after education, transportation, r&d, i mean, energy, you're basically going after your seed corn while china is doubling on education. china is doubling down on r&d. china is doubling down on energy research. we can't do that for economic reasons. >> right. >> i like winning. >> budget is about policy, and it creates your priorities. >> the other thing is, there is a big issue -- big economic issue beyond jobs and beyond the deficits. and that is how do we create an economy in which the middle class is growing, in which people work hard and can get ahead? and all the things that you mentioned are important to that task. so we can't give up on that. >> two other points also. if by going after discretionary -- that's just another form of kicking the can down the road. you know, if you're not going to invest
that means everything, outside of defense, outside of medicare, outside of medicaid, outside of social security. that's about 85% of the budget. >> and we just made some pretty deep cuts last summer. >> right. so when you have a party saying we're going to balance the budget by going after education, transportation, r&d, i mean, energy, you're basically going after your seed corn while china is doubling on education. china is doubling down on r&d. china is doubling down on...